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By Ali Shah | Saudi Life
Saturday, 31 December 2011 07:06

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IN the past seven or more years, I have noticed a growing phenomenon. It has become an issue so severe that it is destroying society slowly. And yet we all very consciously and knowingly ignore it.

Extra Marital Affairs. Divorces. Single Women.

The number is rising. There are way too many 30+ ladies who are single in our society. And there are way too many cases of divorce.

I recall, during my childhood days, the story of my uncle who married two women.

The man was treated miserably. He was looked down upon and ridiculed for doing what he did. As I grew up, I kept on hearing how bad men were who married again while married to someone else and that they were doing great injustice to their families. I heard such feedback mostly from the women in my family. I know for a fact that my uncle did not do any injustice. His children from both his wives loved him and both of his wives were well-settled and happy.

In 1995, I met a Pakistani man in a flight from Cyprus to Riyadh. He asked me about how education and life in Cyprus was. He had been there only for two weeks. I told him it was great and that we all really loved going to college there. I asked him if he went there for business. “Are you kidding me? I went to meet my Polish girlfriend,” he replied. And then he went on to tell me how he had a great time with her in Larnaca. It bothered me, though it was none my business what he did or did not do with her. A week later I was invited to a party in Riyadh. He was there with his wife and kids. He saw me and could not look me in the eye. I did not say anything but salaam, and I got the picture: Cheating on the wife!

The gentleman was respected, looked up to, and successful. And he had just one wife.

Question: Is this right? My uncle who legally married another woman is condemned, and a man who maintains an illegal relationship is respected.

Why do our societies discourage multiple marriages when Allah has allowed it? Why are men who do it looked upon in a negative way? Who is dictating how life should be now?

Why is this made out to be such a big deal? 

Islamic Republic of Pakistan has made a law that man needs to get permission of his first wife in order to marry again. What “Islamic” rule is this? This is FEMINIZATION of men. Homosexuality, prostitution, vulgarity and abuse are tolerated, but not polygamy! Polygamy is SUCH A BIG CRIME. A Pakistani actress gets photographed nude. That goes unpunished. But a Muslim man needs permission from his wife to marry again if he wants to. Astaghfirullah!

I am sure men will tell me: if you marry again, your wife will leave you. That is the threat. But a significant percentage of you (no offense, but let us be realistic) go out on “business trips” to lands close by and engage in Haraam liaisons. Right? There would be no prostitution industry, if this were not the case. And ladies, please DO NOT tell me that you don't know when your husband has "been there". Every woman knows and feels it when her husband does something wrong. But because of a lack of proof stays silent. She even accepts it after a while AS LONG AS he does not marry someone else. Only then everyone gets really upset.

For my sisters: Your security is from Allah, which he may deliver through your Mahram. If your husband has kept you secure, be grateful to Allah. If he abuses you, you have the right to walk away. Allah has promised that He will provide. But, your husband marrying again is not abuse. No, it is not. You should be proud of his honesty.

Do you seek to please people or do you seek to please Allah? Ask yourself.

What “sane” man will want added responsibility? It may be perfect to have one wife and less expenditure. And then go out on a “trip”, once a while to do your thing and come back home smiling, right? Only a TRUE Muslim will stand up and say NO to Haraam and lose anything for Halaal. Marriages up to four are Halaal for Muslim men. There are many benefits of this. There are many reasons for this.

As I said earlier, many men indulge in Haraam. If we had bred the culture of multiple marriages, like we did centuries ago, there would be few single women waiting for marriage. They would have found security and thus society would have been cleaner.

Let’s say there are 150 women and 100 men in a community. If all 100 men get married to only one woman, then 50 women won’t find a partner. This is what is happening now in all our societies. So what about those 50 women? What should they do?

In the past, 50 from the 100 men would have married them. But today, 40 out of those 100 prefer to have affairs with them. Only 10 want to marry them, but would not dare even mention it. Why? Because they fear the first wife and society more than they fear Allah. That is the bottom-line and very few accept this as the truth. But it is the truth. Hiding from it is only living in illusion.

This is what is going on, brothers.

It is true that some women, after being married for a long time and then getting divorced, prefer to remain single. But this condition does not last long. Soon they start longing for a companion. And that is when the door to wrongdoing opens up.

The rise in the rate of single, divorced or widowed women is alarming. The rise in crimes is alarming. The rise in prostitution is alarming and the rise in Haraam is overwhelming.

Societies are built on families. When the institution of family is challenged, society starts to collapse. And this is happening today. It has come to a point where girls aged 20 or 25 have LOST the hope of ever getting married. They have taken the path of either frustration or Haraam. Either way, the loss is ours.

We have not only made monogamous marriage extremely difficult, but we have also totally outlawed polygamous marriages, and the result is obvious: Extra-marital affairs, frustration and disgusting degeneration of society.

Think people, think.

 

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+4 anonymous 2012-01-01 07:50 #
assalamu alaykum

The women who 'allow' their husbands to have a second wife and the women who become second wives are also stygmatized in society. The first is looked down on, society thinks there's something wrong with her because she couldn't keep her husband loyal to her only. They look down on the 2nd as a homebreaker. Even if both get along and agreed to the situation, others will butt in and try to cause problems!

I understand that men could put up with being the bad guy in everyone elses' eyes, because he does derive some benefit from the situation. He chose the situation for himself knowing full well the consequences. But how can a woman deal with her husband having a 2nd wife, when not only does she and her children get half of his time, half of his provisions, etc., but in all that time alone, people are cruel to her because of something she didn't even have a say in? I am not saying polygamy should not be allowed, but I hope that husbands will be sensitive to their wives, and understand that they are not the only one seen as a bad guy, and for this reason, he will need to spend a lot of time dealing with both his wives' emotions, and may not necessarily live the 'saudi dream'
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0 happily married 2012-01-01 11:57 #
It is a very sad state of affairs. i honestly feel sorry for my unmarried sisters.ulhamdullilah i am married to a wonderful man, who is the father of my children.I totally agree that a man should be allowed to remarry as it is allowed in Islam. BUT, where will i get the heart to let him go! we women r so selfish and possessive! the thought of our beloved husbands spending time with another woman is just unbearable. Hats off to those sisters who have allowed this and are coping. May Allah make it easier for them and their families and may He give us all Hidayah!
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0 Faraz Omar 2012-01-01 13:27 #
Masha Allah an excellent piece! You hit the bull's eye Ali on what is happening in society today. Jazaak Allah khair for speaking on behalf of what many men feel today.

It's very, very sad – for both men and women. As the anonymous sister pointed out, the social stigma is greater for women. How can a Muslim society view something that Allah has made Halaal in a negative light! astagfirullah! May Allah help us all! ameen.

I can just right now think of at least 3 women who are unable to get married. And I can think of many righteous brothers who are very well off and can afford to marry again, but just won't b/c of how society views it today.

One woman is a 30-yr-old Indian Arabic teacher who I heard is very righteous, masha Allah and knowledgeable, but is not at all pretty. So there you go. Not getting married. Her younger sisters are married. Another one, a righteous American, divorcee with a child who has been open to polygamy as well, but she isn't getting proposals from 'good men'. And I'm sure there are so many more to the list.

I remember in India, a Saudi da'ee came across women who complained about how high dowries (in Indo-Pak women pay men dowry) have made it impossible for them to get married. Three poor sisters – the elder one had reached over 33, the second one 27 or so etc. None of them could get married. He went back to Saudi, returned after a month and married one of them. That's a MAN!

I don't know how many would have the courage to do that, particularly b/c of the sad mental state we find ourselves in. As you aptly point out, men FEAR that their first marriage will be destroyed and they don't want to do that under any circumstances, and that's why they keep silent. Abusers abuse it. B/c people who are best capable of doing justice are not taking up the institution of polygamy.

Perhaps women who go through difficulty and get married late or are divorced/widowed are more open to polygamy than the general girls today.

In any case, regardless of whether these reasons exist or not, the fact is that man can marry whom he likes and build a family. This is halaal. He is required to do justice with his wives even if he marries only one. The prophet (s) married and I don't recall anywhere his seeking permission from other wives, and the wives too knew that this was something Allah gave as a right to the man.

If one were to open up the Sahih Al-Bukhari, the book of nikah, he would find in it a chapter titled "Marrying more women". In that Al-Bukhari quotes the statement of Ibn Abbas (RA) encouraging people to marry more women, because the best of men i.e. the prophet (s) married more women.

But I realize this is quite a sensitive issue and I rather not speak more than what I already have. Jazaak Allah khair for writing!
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+3 Kim 2012-01-01 14:17 #
Assalamu Aleikum Brother,

I do understand the reasoning behind your article. I also understand that it is the right of the husband to re-marry.

However, I don't see why the only two options are to re-marry or cheat. There are many people who are happy in a monogamous relationship and cannot afford to marry more than one wife. Additionally, some men can't meet the needs of more than one woman. It would be unfair to that woman for him to divide what is already not enough.

The men who cheat and marry misyar are horrible men. They are bringing home disease and complete destroying the fabric of society. They should be punished Islamically for what they do. They are abusing their wives and shaming them. The women have no say in any of this. I do agree it is better to marry again than to cheat. However, the men should have some kindness and ask their wives before they remarry. That gives her some control in a process that completely changes her life. She may be angry initially, and she many leave. This is her choice. She may decide to help him find another righteous woman. A man should be honest, not a liar or cheat.
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0 Ali Shah 2012-01-01 14:29 #
Thank you all. Anonymous, it is the job of the husband to protect his wife or wives from sort of scrutiny from society.
Faraz: thank you..a few basic principles and considera
tions build or break societies..Thank you for mebtionibg the Hadith
Kim: As you may have noticed, I am not talking
about all men..I am talking about a certain percentage of men.
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0 Yahya 2012-01-01 19:22 #
Well said Ali, well said.

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0 Ali Shah 2012-01-01 14:31 #
@happily married...it is this possessiveness and ego that we sacrifice for Allah and get rewarded for.We all do this on different levels and ways.
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0 Sayeed 2012-01-01 16:52 #
Ali, it is a thought provoking Article.


I think very small percentage of men are seriously interested in more than one wife and they do find their way. The remaining majority (as Kim said) is incapable of sharing what is already not enough for one.

Extra marital affairs of men/women are simply due to lack of imaan (fear of Allah).
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+2 Sister Z 2012-01-01 19:44 #
Assalaamu aleikum Br Ali and thank you for the thoughtful piece. I was a number one wife and I have to say it worked out for me, Alhamdulillah. However what I have noticed here in the Kingdom is that for the children who grow up in polygamous families, there can be disastrous consequences. I'm talking about the future; when there may be, for example 10 teenage boys all competing for a father's attention and time. I'm sure these are the ones who go mad out on the roads and create dangers for themselves and others. I call them the Lost Boys, growing up with computer driving games and then continuing them with real cars on real roads and losing real lives. Their fathers are out with their own friends drinking coffee, or working extra time. Fathers! doing justice to all means not neglecting ANY of your children, whether you have 6 or 16. Doing justice means making quality time to spend with ALL of them. Boys need Men! May Allah swt make our brothers conscious of the HUGE responsibilitie s involved in taking extra wives.
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+1 Faraz Omar 2012-01-04 06:56 #
Salaam alaikum sister Kim and bro Sayeed,

I think many readers missed the point... the article doesn't say polygamy will stop men from cheating or that polygamy is the solution to this evil.

It compares between the two – halaal and haraam: his uncle, who does something halaal is shunned by the society and the man who cheats is accepted by the society, even if it is known. The crux of the article is how polygamy is viewed in society. How something that Allah has made halaal is not being accepted. It does not deal with justice or the details of polygamy marriage.

Your point on emaan, bro Sayeed, is spot on! Of course it is the crux of all affairs.
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0 Kim 2012-01-08 10:35 #
Assalamu Aleikum Brother,

Thank you for the clarification. This is always a hot topic. Of course we all want to do Halal and not Haram. May God help us to do so ameen.
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+1 Sister Z 2012-01-01 19:46 #
Assalaamu aleikum Br Ali and thank you for the thoughtful piece. I was a number one wife and I have to say it worked out for me, Alhamdulillah. However what I have noticed here in the Kingdom is that for the children who grow up in polygamous families, there can be disastrous consequences. I'm talking about the future; when there may be, for example 10 teenage boys all competing for a father's attention and time. I'm sure these are the ones who go mad out on the roads and create dangers for themselves and others. I call them the Lost Boys, growing up with computer driving games and then continuing them with real cars on real roads and losing real lives. Their fathers are out with their own friends drinking coffee, or working extra time. Fathers! doing justice to all means not neglecting ANY of your children, whether you have 6 or 16. Doing justice means making quality time to spend with ALL of them. Boys need Men! May Allah swt make our brothers conscious of the HUGE responsibilitie s involved in taking extra wives.
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0 umm ahmed 2012-01-01 21:47 #
sister z ...well said completely agree with what you say...both boys and girls compete for this attention and when they don't get it they resent their father and will start to go astray...also its not fair to say this is what all men want and vast majority seek haraam means to fulfil their lusts...for many men it is hard enough work pleasing one woman..
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0 Faraz Omar 2012-01-04 07:03 #
Salaam alaikum Sister Z,

alhamdulillah that it worked out for you. Re children, I really do not know if it would be fair to say that children of polygamous marriages are the ones who are spoilt. It depends on good parenting. I've seen that the most spoilt children are those who belong to smaller families i.e. a single child or two children being pampered by their parents.

Parenting is a subject on its own. While I do agree that fathers must play their part, I don't see the connection between polygamous and monogamous marriages. A father may not have so much time even in a monogamous marriage. And a father who has time and spends lots of time with his child/children may still spoil them up. Moreover, the parents of the past – almost all of whom were part of polygamous marriages – had lots to engage in as well, the most important of which is perhaps jihad/military warfare.

The situation of teenagers today has a lot to do with how our collective society is, the effect of mass media, television, music etc. It takes a community to raise a child, as it was once so effectively said in our Parenting column.
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0 Ali Shah 2012-01-02 02:03 #
Once again sisters, I am talking about a certain percentage of men. These men WILL know how to do justice. The "Lost boys" you are talking about are the result of "lost fathers". Unfortunately, those men FAILED in their responsibilitie s. And even if they were PERFECT, it does happen that certain kids go AGAINST their own fathers to adopt an evil lifestyle.
If you read the article, you will see that I am talking about a PERCENTAGE of men. I cannot say ALL men should marry 4 wives neither am I saying NONE should. All I am saying that it should NOT be discouraged and the opinion of women in this regard does not matter because the Wisdom of Allah and His Prophet is above ALL opinion and analysis. They allowed it, encouraged it for a reason. And, it is obvious now.
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-1 Yahya 2012-01-02 19:07 #
What I don't understand is why do women feel when discussing the subject of marrying more than one wife that they somehow feel they are experts on the subject and best qualified to determine its permissibility?

It makes on wonder if they are such authorities on the subject, why didn't Allah and his prophet make it a requirement for their husband's ask permission from them?
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+3 AFIFA JABEEN 2012-01-02 19:48 #
Yahya, no woman here is claiming to be an 'expert'. And no woman in the right sense of her mind would object to what Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him) have obligated upon us. Let women express their points of view, nothing wrong with that.
Certainly, there is nothing that says a husband must ask his wife's permission for another marriage, but if he does, it shows Adab.
Please dont vilify women for what they feel. Comments like these give Islamophobes a field day, as they would resume their tirade on how 'women are deprived in Islam'.
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0 SA 2012-01-02 05:04 #
In our quest to adopt everything that is Western we have acquired the evils of that society. We forget that Islam was gifted to us as a mercy from Allah to protect us from the evils of such a wordly life. We have adopted perfectly the life of this materialistic world thus condemning the good values set by Islam.
us by our beloved Prophet (Peace be up on Him).
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0 SA 2012-01-02 05:11 #
May Allah guide us to the right path shown to us by our beloved Prophet (PBUH)
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0 Abdullah Broomes 2012-01-03 15:44 #
Ibn al-Qayyim Discusses the Wisdoms of Islamic Polygyny...

maktabah-alfawaaid.blogspot.com/2012/01/ibn-al-qayyim-discusses-wisdoms-of.html
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+2 jumanf 2012-01-04 05:07 #
There must be a reason men are allowed 4 wives, but then there should also be peace and harmony inthe family, if it is the intention of a man to marry again, he should out of respect for his wife let her know his intentions, it should then be upto her to decide what she wants.
As for so many single women, there wouldn't be if they didn't ask for the sun,moon and starts in men before they marry.we have 6 boys of marriagable age in our family , doing well working but not rich just middleclass and we can't find a girl for them? there are equal number of single men and single women, it's not like the women are flodding the place with no brothers . again most women who i know want a rich man. and most older men are setteled inlife and have acquired considerable wealth adn they seem to want to attract them.
Its fine since they have the option to marry 4, but i feel as a wife that i should be given the option to opt out. maybe i may prefer life single and alone rather than going thru this. just that the choice should be there that's all.
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+1 Faraz Omar 2012-01-04 08:33 #
It is true that there should be peace and harmony in the family. But that comes later. Acceptance of marriage as something that Allah has made part of His religion is the starting step.

Why do I say marriage itself? Because very soon the 'married' people are going to be a minority in a large country like the US (according to recent reports). Just as we are today discussing and trying to prove the legitimacy of polygamy, a decade from now, we'll perhaps have to "prove" to Muslims (in some parts of the world) why one must marry and not have haraam relationships.

And Allah's Help is sought.

That some Muslim women want to 'opt out' of a marriage/family solely because of polygamy, even if the man is just, fair, and good, shows that the underlying problem - regardless of whether we look at the larger picture or not – is in accepting without having grudges what Allah has made permissible.

"But no, by your Lord, they can have no Imaan until they set you (Muhammad, peace be upon him) judge in any disputes that arise among them, and then find in their souls no resistance against your decisions but accept them with the fullest submission." [an-Nisaa' 4:65]

"It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allâh and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allâh and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in a plain error. (Al-Ahzab 33:36)"

The Prophets and the righteous all had polygamous marriages. So does that mean that some Muslim women today object to marry the best men who have gone down in our history? It all comes down to emaan, whether we today discuss about accepting polygamy or tomorrow discuss about accepting marriage itself. If we truly develop our faith in Allah, then we won't have a problem with it. Allah is our Lord and what He has legislated is the best for us. Indeed some of the early Muslims may not have understood when the legislation prohibiting alcohol or changing the qibla came down, but they embraced it. The effect it had was known only later on, or perhaps not known at all.

What is first required is the emaan and acceptance. How to make it work – whether monogamous or polygamous marriage – only comes later... when believing men and women pitch in their efforts and cooperate in order to please Allah.

Indeed it is not cakewalk for men. Most men will shudder at the thought and won't even think about it b/c that's how the norm is. Moreover there's prevailing ignorance about Islam. And it may all be just easier for us to go with the flow and accept what society defines as good or bad. But if we have the love for the religion of Allah and for making His Word the highest, then it should make us come out of our comfort zones and challenge the prevailing customs.

May Allah guide Muslims to revive the Sunnah in all aspects of the religion. ameen.
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+1 jumanf 2012-01-04 21:53 #
Irrespective of its reason, many people do no accept polygamy nowadays, that's the only reason i wish the men to inform their wives, again i say inform of their intention, not ask permission. after that if the wife wants to opt-out of the marriage for whatever reason it is her choice. maybe her emaan is weak, maybe she is not strong in her beleif , maye she wants to devote her time to lerning, for whatever reason as long as she i snot against him marrying again then i think she should be allowed her choice. that is just and fair.

Weather she is right or wrong in opting out i snot under discussion or if it easy for the man ot not. I think it's good adab to let her know she will have a co-wife, it is good adab to let her know she will share his time with another family and it is good adab to let let her inform the kids that their father's time will be shared.

to not do so is incredible selfish of course it is not haram but neither is it good adab.

it is also mentioned that unless you can be completley just and fair do not marry more than 1, how many men can completely be just and equal, does that mean if they are not entirely fair then they have to give up the marriage? no it is not , likewise the prophet has a polygamous marriage and yes women wish for a man like him, but rarely are they men like him. so do not compare men nowadays to the The Prophets and the righteous .

that is all i have to say, be kind, and let your wife know, leave it up to her to accept it or not, you carry on, give her a choice. in the long run it will be better as more people come to accept it and women who don't want to accept it are not forced, you can never force someone to follow a path. leave them be an dthey will come around. we all need a choice.

I say it with experience.
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0 Faraz Omar 2012-01-04 22:03 #
Sure sister. I don't think my arguments were regarding informing vs not informing. I believe it has to be a conscious decision where both the men and women involved pitch in and are involved. b/c a responsible man wouldn't want to destroy his relationship with his wife.

Being kind, just, courteous and sensitive to one's wife/wives is not optional behavior. It's mandatory. Jazaakillah khair!

All the best.

wassalam,
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+2 Safiyah 2012-01-05 20:03 #
Salam. I can only say alhamdo lelah my husband is not "into polygamy". I am a happy wife alhamdo lelah. And when we were getting married there was the only condition from my side, that there will not be another wife except me, otherwise we divorce. Alhamdo lelah my husband accepted this condition and we signed it both. About not even telling wife or asking her permission to bring another woman to their life means disrespect to their life together, their love, their family, their children, their dreams at the end. It has nothing to do with love and that is why with the meaning of the concept of the family. I am not telling it is good to have a lover -- no way. But the best is to have the only one wife and the only one husband insha allah. And i wish all the sisters and brothers who still is single or divorced, old, young, pretty, handsome, not pretty and not handsome - everyone.. may almighty allah swt help you to find the only one. THIS is the best. Other ways destroy, slowly, day by day, step by step.
This is my honest opinion. And allah knows the best. Salam
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0 AbdalMalik Khan 2012-01-05 20:42 #
I totally agree with you bro. That's what is happening in Hyderabad, India as well. Poor girls they have lost the hope of getting married and our society has stagmatized those who practice polygamy. May Allah swt guide us.
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+3 Almas Shamim 2012-01-05 23:29 #
Well, what amazes me most is how 'being faithful to one's wife' is not stressed as much as 'polygamy'.

While I agree that polygamy is allowed in Islam and that no 'permission' is needed by the husband, i find it pretty absurd to bring Haram and Polygamy in the same piece of argument.
As someone has pointed out that the purpose of this article was not to say that polygamy is the solution to the problem of Haram but only to stress on the 'Halalness' of polygamy as against having extra marital relations. This part I agree But the remaining only sounds amusing.

The guy who has a Paki wife in Riyadh and goes to meet his Polish galfriend in Cyprus is the guy to be punished here. He should be punished in the way Islam prescribes. And the wife of that man should be informed of her husband's misdeeds. I wonder if the author bothered about that.

Using this man as an example to justify the author's uncle's second marriage is something that i find totally mismatched.
There are SOME men who CAN afford extra wives and also treat them equally. These men CAN marry again.
This article, somehow, tells that such men SHOULD marry again. What if the man is totally happy in his one single marriage? He should still go about marrying a single woman even if it means disturbing the peace of his happy home, you say?
God!

And as regards why women are reacting like this?
No, it's not coz women think they are experts. It's coz it is we women who will have to bear the pain of SHARING our husbands with one (upto three) other women. From having seven nights in a week with our husbands, we will be down to two nights. And while we cradle our crying babies to sleep all alone, our husbands will be gladly enjoying the 'completeness' of a family in another home.

Remember that a bigger test of eeman is how much we can keep our pants on. A guy who isnt satisfied with one lifepartner will not necessarily be satisfied with four.
A single woman needs to be educated and have a job. She can adopt orphans if she needs children (that would be a good deed in itself). The only thing she wouldnt get is a physical relation. To enable a single woman to meet her physical needs you are willing to hurt the sentiments of your wife. What a MAN!

If i earn 10,000 a month for two children, i will either have to compromise on life standards or earn 20,000 for four children. More working hours. Lesser time remainin for family. And that time is now to be divided between four children rather than the earlier two.

Does any time remain for the wives? While the second wife might still be happy coz she went from 'no man' to 'some man', what about the first wife who went from 'full man' to 'half man'?

For ppl who cant bother about the feelings of the very women whom they CLAIM to care sooo much for that they want each of them to have a husband, i can only ask them to consider a situation where Allah in all his wisdom makes polyandry permissible. Each of these men should wake up each morning and try to think of how they'd feel if they woke up alone knowing that their wife is somewhere else with someone else, being someone else's wife, making bed tea for someone else, being a mother to someone else's children . . And all this cant even be called bad coz hey! It has been sanctioned by God.

So please do write regarding polygamy being Permissible But not in a tune that makes it sound Obligatory. It would only lead to a larger number of Confused men and an even larger number of hurt women.

But, then again, as someone commented, who are women to say anything? Maybe women dont even have the right to feel.
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-1 Ali Shah 2012-01-19 16:38 #
Being Faithful to Allah is more important.
A woman, as per Islam, has one mission after marriage - to support her husband in everything Halal. Beyond this, there is nothing good happening.
I know it sounds insensitive.. but it is the truth. We can have opinions, but we cannot disregard reality.
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+3 Safiyah 2012-01-05 23:39 #
"For ppl who cant bother about the feeli ngs of the very women whom they CLAIM to care sooo much for that they want each of them to have a husband, i can only ask them to consider a situation where Allah in all his wisdom makes polyandry permissible. Each of these men should wake up each morning and try to think of how they'd feel if they woke up alone knowing that their wife is somewhere else with someone else, being someone else's wife, making bed tea for someone else, being a mother to someone else's children . . And all this cant even be called bad coz hey! It has been sanctioned by God.

So please do write regarding polygamy being Permissible But not in a tune that makes it sound Obligatory. It would only lead to a larger number of Confused men and an even larger number of hurt women.

But, then again, as someone commented, who are women to say anything? Maybe women dont even have the right to feel".

Walla great words, Almas Shamim. Thank you
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+1 jacova 2012-01-08 12:09 #
The statistics you cite for the example can be used two ways.

The author states:
Let’s say there are 150 women and 100 men in a community. If all 100 men get married to only one woman, then 50 women won’t find a partner. This is what is happening now in all our societies. So what about those 50 women? What should they do?

But let's say there are 134 men for every 100 women in a community...just to see what happens when we turn the tables around.

If all 100 women get married to only one man then 34 men won't find a partner. As it happens this is more of what is happening in KSA since those are the actual statistics, not the 150 men:100 women figure.

To continue the author's hypothetical question, what should these extra 34 men do? Obviously, using the example, the women should take extra husbands!
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+1 Sayeed 2012-01-08 13:01 #
jacova, your point is based on wrong information.

By nature, in all ages and nations, there has always been
a surplus of women.

Sex ratio in Saudi Arabia (2010 est.)
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at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.04 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1.27 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 1.03 male(s)/female
total population: 1.17 male(s)/female
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0 Saleh 2012-01-10 05:23 #
Ditto Almas Shamim !!! Muah!
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-1 Ali Shah 2012-01-11 00:56 #
In no way am I saying in the article that men MUST marry more wives. If you read it again, I am saying a certain PERCENTAGE of men can. You are just repeating what I wrote and saying that I did not write it while it is obvious I did.. lol.
And I do not understand this "ADAB" thing. What new thing is this? What "ADAB"? Adab is shown in treatment. The fact is, a REAL MUSLIM WOMAN that BELIEVES IN ALLAH and WANTS TO Please HIM and not her ego will not EXPECT to be asked or given this sort of "ADAB". She , like all MOMINEEN, will know what Allah allows and what HE does not. As long as the man is not abusive or violating her RIGHTS ( defined clearly by ALLAH and this "adab" thing was never mentioned), he can do AS he pleases within the boundaries of halal without even mentioning it to anyone.
I did not write this article to start a debate of men and women. I wrote this to point out a flaw in our perceptions and the result in society.
Ladies, if you do not feel security from JUST Allah, then no man can secure you. Believe me.
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-3 Ali Shah 2012-01-11 01:01 #
Safiya: Your perception cannot be a conclusion for it is your perception based on your view. So , please do not advise on this WAY of life. What may work for you may not work for someone else.

Jacova: You are outrageously ridiculous...LOL.

Almas Shamim: Come on, it is not THAT bad. Women do feel, and their feelings should be understood - but when it comes to establishment of a BETTER society, no one's feelings have any real value - only what is "RIGHT" has value.
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+2 Saleh 2012-01-11 03:10 #
... and the whole world is based on feelings.. that's what being human is about. Nothing will ever be perfect. Perfect is a mere existence to look beyond our imperfections.

Conclusion: what works for Safia actually works for almost all of us! I ain't convinced by this article.. try better next time.
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0 yahya 2012-01-11 13:39 #
No one has to convince anyone about what Allah says is right or wrong.
TO QUOTE Ali Shah:

Almas Shamim: Come on, it is not THAT bad. Women do feel, and their feelings should be understood - but when it comes to establishment of a BETTER society, no one's feelings have any real value - only what is "RIGHT" has value.
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-1 Ali Shah 2012-01-19 16:40 #
Article was not written to convince, it was written to point out result of NON ACTION.
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+2 Saleh 2012-01-11 03:20 #
to add, ADAB means etiquette, human compassion and being human. I won't care if my husband would just marry one fine day break the news to me after lying for weeks.. well I would just say get outta ma house for his own best. Because he got a new wife and family..
'Ladies, if you do not feel security from JUST Allah, then no man can secure you. Believe me.' .. and I'll speak the same lines to him!!! Alhamdulillah have a job and ALLAH is to secure me.. not a man. Adios!
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0 yahya 2012-01-11 13:35 #
Dido.
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0 jumanf 2012-01-12 05:28 #
I hear my cousins mother is tellign that theya re trying to find wife for him for past 9months with no girls coming forward, Itseems the ratio of girls to boys is slightly less where they live ( india) and now he is getting only divorcees and widows. so they have said as long as it's good lady to go ahead. now i wonder what will happen when brothres start marrying more than 1 lady, as it is it's hard to find wives for younger men, now only rich brothers who are well established will get many wives.. i'm sure this is not what allah intended.sad so sad.
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0 Jojo 2012-01-19 15:44 #
I have come to count on topics such as this to bring out responses from those from whom I find so much humor.
Ali’s subject here is society, its views and its self imposed constraints, which yes, stem from so called fear.
What particularly bothers me is everyone’s insistence that the feelings of women are the only feelings at issue here.
Brothers, if you were given support, within your family unit/s and by so called society as a whole (remember we are Muslims in a dominantly western influenced and subjugating world) you would feel something that is not mentioned here.
Pride.
A woman who is a true threshold of her family home should feel. She should feel proud she has a husband who can or will take upon himself the responsibility and accomplishment in marrying and being responsible for a second family. The 2nd wife should feel pride and not selfish, the 1st wife should feel pride and not selfish, and the husband who should not keep either wife a secret from one another should be proud of his ability.
Yes, not all men can answer the calling of multiple marriages just as not all women can find the grace in a husband who chooses to do so.
Sometimes I wonder if the effects of feminism and western notions of monogamous love have tarnished a man’s pride and thus, the acceptance of polygamy to such an extent, even though it is Halal, that society in its infinite inclination towards a “me first” attitude has possessed people to forget : if something is not supported initially, stigmatism abounds eventually.
If support is developed and nurtured, then respect and pride will follow and eventually bleed back into the psyches of those who once stigmatized it.
It is one thing to stigmatize actions; it is another to ignore the need for more support to our fellow brothers and sisters. Of course it is the responsibility of the husband to protect his wife/ves from such barrages of societal opinion, in the same breath, it is the wife/ves responsibility to protect herself from making misguided accusations (ie - 1st wife not able to maintain a loyal husband, or a 2nd wife as a homewrecker)
Everyone can easily point the finger at the man and say ‘oh how can he please more than one wife’. What does that say about the wife, should she not please her husband as well? Part of the compass of giving and pleasing is that if it pleases a husband to take a second wife, give him the respect and make him proud by you to do so.
Support is critical from all sides, and who’s to say multiple families (the more the merrier) can’t also support one another. Is this saying all wives should be close friends? No, but wouldn’t a supportive community within the home of sharing responsibility in childcare and the like be a welcome addition to the strength of this multiple family’s activities in the community at large, needless to say, society as a whole.
Support, pride and honor. These should be the operative words rather than ‘Adab’, ‘allow’, ‘permission’ etc….
Each of us know, brothers and sisters, the few basic life advices – don’t lie, don’t keep secrets, and don’t disrespect the decision of others.
And try to remember the first thing we learn as children – share, and the world will be better for it.
Give, and love will grow.
Honor and pride will form itself through support and respect.
All of these things are intrinsic to a society that does not stigmatize a man’s right, or women’s feelings.
If these not-so-phenomenal ideas are hard to bear, a person merely needs to ask if they really love themselves, their mate, or above all, Allah.
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-1 Ali Shah 2012-01-19 16:24 #
Well said jojo...
Many of the comments reflect the readiness level of our people to SACRIFICE their ego for Allah. It seems all emotions are about self pity and ego and not betterment of society. This is the time we were warned about and we are living in it. The fact is: Social issues and issue of balance in society cannot be addressed except through ways prescribed by Allah and His Messenger ANYWHERE in the world. If "adab" and "Oh I can't accept this" are the approaches, nothing can be built and so a society where everyone really just does as they please resulting in amazing in injustice and consequently an ugly end.
Muslims cannot decide what they want to be and they want to be Muslims on THEIR own terms and conditions, a mistake previous PEOPLE OF THE BOOK made. Culture is not changed as per religion, but religion is changed as per culture and preference - this is VERY clear.
Since I deal with people and their issues, it saddens me to see so many lives going to waste and so much depression in people because their "SELF" would not let them BUDGE from their position which may not be in conflict with the Holy Book but it does not cater to it either. Thus, they are lost somewhere in between. Seeking adab, not getting it and living pretentious lives - in reality... not happy at all.
Every man cannot have 2 wives and does not need to, but many can .. all I am saying is. do not call them WRONG or make this act look UNACCEPTABLE. It is not. How a woman reacts to her husband getting another wife is her business. If she chooses to walk away, she can by giving up her Right to Mehr or Benefits. Fine. But, she cannot despise her husband for doing so. Because he CAN do this and still be blessed and being alone would be HER choice and the resulting misery or happiness or whatever will then be HER responsibility and no one else's.
Allah will judge by HIS standards on the Day Of Judgement , not by our emotion. His Standards are very clear and obvious.

Our Prophet Peace Be Upon Him, got many people married more than once. Surely, we cannot even start to comment on why he did this. For Muslims it is " We heard, we Obeyed". The reason for this is, we could be WRONG, and our emotions or notions COULD be misleading as history proves that we are not yet complete in mind, research and understanding. So, we depend on a wisdom OUTSIDE of our minds and confirm to it, keeping our reaction aside. Pacifying them with this knowledge that we MAY not know what is good for us.
It is not just multiple marriages.. there are MANY such social issues we never talk about. Like the INITIAL first marriage itself. Like beliefs we are passing on to our kids. Like status criteria, like Right of any Muslim on a Muslim land... We give PREFERENCE to our Fears and NOTIONS and Prejudice and NOT to the word of God.. Can anyone disagree with this? Look at our whole life systems.
ADAB is given to a higher authority. For Muslims , the HIGHER authority is ONLY Allah and His Messenger and those that UPHOLD their teachings. Women should not be seeking "ADAB" but compassion and care. Compassion is very different from PITY or REVERENCE. Compassion comes with doing what is GOOD for someone even though they may protest or disagree simply because they are not over their own ego yet. Compassion is NOT unconditional worship and love, that is the domain of Allah, only. Compassion is caring enough to help someone grow to be complete. What Adab?

I only pointed out a fault in our society. I am sorry if it offended anyone.
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0 Umabdullah 2012-02-03 23:16 #
The solution isnt NECESSARILY plolygamy although it can be for many men. Let us suppose there is no stigma surrounding polygamy. For someone like the successful businessman who has polish girlfriend, lets suppose he gets a second wife.

What will happen when he has two wives and lack of iman? Is he going to be fair? Or is him getting into polygamy going to make family wife even crazier.

In truth i feel for many ppl like him, not all, there is sexual incompatibility . The men watch too much haram stuff and guess what gets them into? And coming from cultures where women have a mental image of sex is dirty i see a picture of unsatisfied husbands whose wives simply dont satisfy them. Couple that with lack of communication and yuv got a perfect recipe for disaster waiting to happen.

Real issue isnt only that polygamy isnt accepted. Real issue is lack of iman. And lets be fair brothers and sisters. Is it only the women giving polygamy a bad name OR have each of us known/heard of way too many stories of how the first wife is left hanging, given no time or money or love and basically treated like a nobody and second wife gets everything?

We arent exactly an ummah full of real men wanting to be fair and what not. Ive only seen up to date one functional polugamous marriage with good muslim children with good manners and satisfied wives. And its easy to see the huge part of that is that the man involved is very wise and he sets boundaries and he seems to be doing a great job. Allah knows best
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-1 ummzara 2012-03-06 16:00 #
Mashallah a great article! I was always scared that one day my husband is going to leave and get a second wife.but somebody asked me, who do you love more? ALLAH OR YOUR HUSBAND? my husbands dad has two wives. And they have a pretty good family, mashallah. So he grew up with polygamy and there very few chances that he will not practice it. But the thing is, my husband who I love so much will leave me one day. He wont spend every weekend with me. But Allah will always be there for me. even when my husband is busy with his second wife, hes going to be there for me. And one of the blessings of polygamy is that I get to spend more time with my creator and my family which I think is a good deal. So I cant stop my husband from getting a second wife, but i can make dua that Alah makes it easy for me.

As for women who refuse the reality and come up with the lamest excuses, if it was really that harmful, it wouldnt be allowed. And this type attitude shows nothin but huge insecurities. Im not saying you shouldnt love your husband. Love him, but not more than Allah. And if he is taken away from you, then your heart shouldnt have been so attached to him in the first place. It should have been with the one who created it. May Allah guide us from darkness to light.
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