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Goodness Gracious! You're a Woman Living in Saudi Arabia? Print E-mail
By AFIFA JABEEN | Saudi Life
Saturday, 24 September 2011 23:49

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If you call yourself a ‘feminist’ and are looking for pointers on how we women are ‘oppressed’ here in Saudi, then this article may not be to your taste. On second thought, it might just serve as an eye-opener. Here is an attempt at listing just ten of the many reasons why women in Saudi Arabia feel blessed to be living where they are.

1.Safety and Security

Just look at the numbers. With an index of 0.71, Saudi Arabia features as the eighth safest country and has a murder rate of less than 1 person per 100,000 population (2008-2009, www.mapsofworld.com). Saudi Arabia was ranked last (65th of 65 countries) in the Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, listing ‘Rapes (per capita) by country’ covering the period 1998 – 2000. The survey was conducted by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention. Safety and security of a country depends on the number of crimes that take place in any year.

All data and statistical information show that the crime rate in the Kingdom is much lower than that of other countries. Indeed, the society’s upbringing on Islamic teachings and the application of Islamic law (Sharee’ah) in Saudi Arabia has proven efficient in fighting and in lowering the crime rate. Dedicated organizations such as the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice do what’s in their capacity to enforce Islamic morality in society. It is no wonder then that women feel safer in the Islamic atmosphere prevalent here, whether she chooses to stay at home or step out.

2.Prayer in Mosques

Where else in the world can you walk to the Masjid at 1:00 A.M. in the night for Tahajjud prayers and walk back at three in the morning - all by yourself? As part of our Ramadan routine, Mother and I would walk down to a nearby mosque for Taraweeh prayers. I would go alone a few times when Mother was unable to come. These were truly blissful moments to be among the many other women – old and young – who had gathered to worship their Lord in the wee hours of the morning, especially during the ‘Big Nights’. In most of South Asia, the trend of women praying in mosques is either not prevalent or the facilities are just not there. Most women in my homeland (India) have never prayed the Eid prayer in a jamaat. I consider myself truly blessed, Alhumdulillah, to pray the Eid prayer with hundreds of my sisters in a mosque or an Eid Musalla year after year.

3.Work Place

The Kingdom’s labor laws go to great extent to protect working women. In July, Saudi Arabia’s labor ministry issued new laws affecting women at the workplace, according to which jobs at women's accessories and cosmetics shops will be restricted to Saudi women alone; men will be forbidden from entering these types of shops. Offices are required to have separate departments for women. One of the main benefits of segregation is that there are few cases of extra marital affairs to worry about. Otherwise, offices are a hotbed for such activity. Though it protects both men and women, especially husbands and wives, it is a bigger boon for women, wives in particular.

Other highlights of the new labor regulations: A factory owner must provide women with safe and decent uniforms. Women must work in a women-section. Women work hours at factories must be between 6 AM and 5 PM. While at the factory, women must adhere to the Islamic dress code and their work uniforms. They must not work in a factory office if the number of women is less than ten in a single shift.

Under the Saudi labor law, a woman is not allowed to be hired to work in jobs that could be harmful to her health or may expose her to specific hazards. Moreover, when a woman employee gives birth to a child, she is entitled to a paid maternity leave starting four weeks before her due date for delivery, and after the delivery, she is entitled to six weeks paid maternity leave.

Furthermore, companies that employ at least fifty women must hire caretakers (if the number of children that employees have under the age of six reach at least ten), so employees can leave their children under protective care while they work. Employers who have one hundred or more women working for them must set up a childcare center in the surrounding area.

Such laws are ideal to keep women employed, especially in industries that employ many women.

Only recently Labor Minister, Adel Fakeih, warned companies against forcing women to remove the niqab in workplace. He urged niqab-wearing workers to inform the ministry if a company imposes such controls.

4.Separate recreational facilities

A weekend in my home country a few years back would mean a trip to an amusement park, a resort or a garden. I remember with disgust how swimming pools were common for both men and women in the water park. Not wanting to miss out on the ‘fun’, everyone, including female members of the family, would enter the water, and there would be nothing to screen them from men. Alhumdulillah, such a scenario cannot be thought of here, even in our wildest of imaginations. Moreover, by and large one doesn’t even have to worry about being chased by eve-teasers in malls, where single men are restricted from entering during the weekends.

5.Islamic education

The quality of Islamic education for women duly found in a region called the ‘cradle of Islam’ is superb – both at the level of big universities, such as Umm Al-Qura University, and at the level of madrasas, Islamic centers and Dawah centers that are popular among women in several localities in each city. Courses of varying durations cover subjects of Tajweed, Aqeedah, Tafseer, Seerah and the language of the Qur’an – Arabic. Moreover, I feel safe studying in an Islamic center here, which is free from bid’ah and the blind-following of the madhabs. Due to rampant bid’ah in my home country, it becomes a matter of great concern as to where I should take my Deen. The next time someone grumbles about there being “no opportunities of higher education for girls in Saudi Arabia”, you know what to tell her. Many of my friends after studying Class 12 took up these courses, mastered them and are now successful da’iyahs and Qur’an teachers, Masha’Allah. I don’t know of any education better than this!

6.Driven around by ‘chauffeurs’

Call it euphemizing, but that is what we would like to believe. And no, I am not rubbing salt on the wounds of my sisters who are struggling for a Saudi driving license. Until we obtain one, let us take solace in the fact that it is only in Saudi Arabia that women are essentially required to be safely driven around by their fathers, brothers, husbands and/or personal drivers. Moreover, many women who I spoke to for this story stated that they don’t want to drive and that they feel no need to. Some of the quotable quotes they had to say on the matter of driving include: “All this media hype is propaganda; it’s very much obvious, we don’t even need to discuss these things, and “Driving is not everything a woman needs.” Driving and proper public transportation are very much required for women here, and there is no denying that. But it is not as great an issue for women in Saudi Arabia as the media plays it out to be.

7.Halal food

This is an area that is a boon for both men and women, but particularly for women, who are essentially the kitchen queens. I have often noticed sisters in other parts of the world asking on Internet forums if a specific pack of gelatin, butter, chocolate is Halal. This is an issue that they have to struggle with every trip to the grocery. Alhumdulillah, the halal-non-halal dilemmas elude me and others like me who were born and brought up here. For us, food products available here are Halal in general.

8.Best Hijab clothing

This is possibly the best place to practice Hijab in a manner that is convenient and most suits us. Jeddah has many abaya markets selling a variety of hijab clothing, such as, scarves, veils, headbands, gloves, and abayas. It is not uncommon for Hajj and Umrah pilgrims visiting Jeddah to stock up on abayas for themselves and their families back home. Abayas here are comfortable, affordable and look good. (Note: Modest abayas that fulfill the requirements of hijab and not fitted abayas with flashy colors that awfully reveal the body contours). Such is their demand that every year at the time of our vacation our relatives back home ask us not to get anything except abayas from Jeddah! Alhumdulillah that I do not have to wait for a whole year to get myself a new abaya!

9.Affordability of life here

There is very little price rise here, thanks to government subsidies. Among the important daily necessities of life, the Saudi government subsidizes food, water, petrol and electricity, which is why almost every house here is air-conditioned. According to a recent Financial Times report, the Saudi government spends SR76bn (20 billion US dollars) on water subsidies every year and at least SR50bn on electricity prices. In February, when the King returned from medical treatment in the US, a massive SR135bn economic package was announced soon followed by another one covering wage bonuses, and unemployment and housing benefits, both totaling SR350bn. Poor people can afford families here. In its “Worldwide Cost of Living 2011” report released in July 2011, the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU) listed Jeddah as one of the cheapest cities to live in. The city featured among the top ten cities with the lowest cost of living out of the 140 cities examined.

10.Charity work

Women have a choice to work or be involved in community activities, learn and do what they can choose from. In most places, this is not an option except for the rich because of the high cost of living. Here you can choose your activities rather than the activities choosing you.

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These are things generally unspoken about in the media. Both inside and outside the Kingdom, stories on how women are 'oppressed' and discriminated abound. Perhaps, someone who has lived here as well as elsewhere can give us a better picture.

An Islamic Studies and Arabic teacher in Jeddah, who wished not to be named, said: “I have tried life both here and in the West and found it difficult in both for women. I was the only responsible parent for the family in Canada, so I found it hard, tiresome, and abnormal for women's nature. The mental and spiritual element in you disappears. Life over there is material and void of any kind of emotions. Everything goes according to the law. They fear the law the way Muslims fear Allah, and when they can break it, they do it with no remorse. It's more hypocritical life than real. So you feel a sense of unrest in you and you don't know the reason. …. They also do not have the financial security due to interest [riba] dealings at a high level. Things like these you either don't see them here or they are limited to certain areas.”

Saudi Arabia like other countries is not a utopian society. But the existence of all the above good factors makes it quite a wonderful place to live.

 

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-1 Lena 2011-09-25 09:06 #
When u go to an amusement park, you want to have fun with all members of the family, not just with women. Here they have too much segregation, people should interact with each other.

Electricity is very expensive here, and ppl spend a lot of money on it, ESP. in summer.

Women as work labor considered to be cheaper than female, even if a female is a greater asset ( has more than one degree, speaks more than one language, has international experience)
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+1 Lena 2011-09-25 09:08 #
I meant cheaper than male not "female"
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+4 Faraz Omar 2011-09-25 11:47 #
@Lena: Amusement parks in Saudi Arabia are for families. You can have fun with all members of your family. I've never seen anything different?

However, a public swimming pool/water park is a completely different thing. For Muslims, Islamic ethics and laws are more important than fun.

And we're more than glad that in water parks in Saudi Arabia, there is segregation i.e. separate areas/water parks for men and women, Alhamdulillah. Halal entertainment at its best, masha Allah!

If you want a private swimming pool, you can always book a resort.
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0 T@j 2011-09-25 09:19 #
Good article...!!!
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0 T@j 2011-09-25 09:20 #
Good article!!!
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0 Abdullah Broomes 2011-09-25 17:02 #
Allahu'Akhbar!

This article & Reflecting on Priceless Virtues of Saudi Life are great reminders for those who get caught up in the hype of the media!

May Allah protect the Kingdom, Ameen.
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+2 um Saad 2011-09-25 17:15 #
Yet another blessing is that alcohol is not sold in stores or restaurants, or on flights within the Kingdom.
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0 jacob 2011-09-25 23:34 #
This is one of the silliest articles (not counting the pre-scientific homepathy and naturopathy articles) I've seen in the often estimable Saudi Life.

One or two points are probably valid:

1) KSA seems to have a greater safety than many or most Western countries, though it's hard to calibrate since many crimes against women and gays go unreported and there is no culture of a free press unrestricted in reporting criminal activities and statistics.

2) The cost of living in KSA does seem to be cheaper than most other countries, partly because of lack of taxation and partly because there's just less to do. Certainly petrol is cheaper and that makes transportation generally cheaper, though as the only major city in the universe without a public transportation system -- not counting the male only mini-shuttles -- one could argue that savings on gas are counterbalanced by the unnecessary number of vehicles on the road and the high traffic fatality rate, not to mention the alarmingly high rate of concussions and other brain injuries due to people not wearing seat belts or using child safety seats.

But best hijab clothing! What planet is the author living on? Comfortable, affordable and good looking? Maybe affordable...but that's not exactly a ringing endorsement.

The comments on women's work are particularly ironic in the light of the fact that 50-58% of college graduates are women yet women only make up about 15% of the workforce, mostly in healthcare and education--a shameful waste of human resources.
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+5 Faraz Omar 2011-09-26 00:14 #
Welcome Jacob! What took you so long?

1. I doubt crimes against women go unreported in the media. Women are held in extremely high regard, whether you believe it or not. A crime against a woman would make it to the frontpage. Being in the media, I can tell you societal crimes in general are not just reported, but sought after. They're the most read section in local newspapers. As for "free press", that's a mythical statement/argument. Where on earth do you have a "free press"?

I don't know what you mean by "crimes against gays"? Homosexuality is itself a crime. Which planet are you living in? :P

2. Depends on how you wanna see the glass.

Re: "Best hijab clothing". The "planet" that the author (and the majority of us) is living in is well-known. Perhaps it would help you understand us (Muslims), our lives and our societies better if you stopped judging us based on a Western yardstick of what is right and wrong.
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+3 shoaib 2011-09-26 03:25 #
...faraz...good reply brother :)
...and to my dear friend Jacob...why countries introduce these taxes?to serve people better right?and yet how many are suffering?take an example of British health services...because of their tax system they have best health service on the planet 'you' live on...and yet how many are waiting in massive waiting lists for their turn to be treated?if the system was effective, the medical tourism in the south Asian countries wouldn't be thriving!...and that's one example I am giving and wouldn't bother elaborating much :)
...and about education ratio in women and the work force created by them...well I will say that women are free to get education and if they want to work...but ofcorse if they chose not to then ALHAMDULILLAH we are "man" enough to full fill their needs and wants...by the grace and help of ALLAH s.w.t. :)
...and about crimes against gays...haaah...my dear friend...allmighty created...ADAM and EVE...not Adam and Steve!!!
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-1 Priceless 2011-09-26 10:07 #
Human beings are stupid! Just look at you all. Rattling about who is right or wrong...and so goes on the fight between Muslims and non-Muslims, the West and the East. No one has the slightest PROOF and most, if not all, religions rely on FAITH. Faith on stories that people have written in the past. Come on! You people should get a life. Or better still, the world should come to a consensus. Anyone who wants to go about nude should live in one continent, those who want to cover from head to toe should live in another, those who want to cover partially should go to yet another...and so on. Why can't humans get along for once? What is the need for all the hatred and criticism?
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0 Faraz Omar 2011-09-26 15:40 #
@ Priceless. You've got us wrong here. Jacob and I have had meaningful conversations several times about our views. We certainly don't hate each other.

Islam is faith that is based on true and verifiable proofs. Please read this book online to know more: www.islam-guide.com/
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+2 jacob 2011-09-27 01:01 #
Friend Faraz: I happen to know of several crimes that were unreported for reasons that I can't go into here because it would put reputations at risk. I will say that one of them was an actual rape in a certain well-respected mall restaurant. One could argue that the crime was unreported in the media because it was not taken to the police, but that is part of the culture of the country--many crimes and offenses are never even brought to the attention of media. How many rapes and attempted molestations go unreported because the woman fears being taken to jail. But regarding media, I was a regular reader of the Arab News and rarely did I see any routine crime reporting or statistics. It's true that there were some high-profile cases that were indeed well-reported, but that leaves an awful lot of crime left unreported.

Regarding crimes against gays, I can only say that while homosexuality is illegal in the KSA, that would not justify beatings or other injustices any more than beatings, rapes and molestation of single females would be justified, even if the single females were in places they should not have been.

Yes, women are held in such high regard that they cannot get married, leave the country and in many cases even leave the house without their younger brother's permission. Please save me from such high regard (despite my pseudonym).

These are not Western standards being used to judge. In fact, I'm not even judging. What other country in the universe, much less the Middle East or Muslim countries, does not let its women drive a car? What other country in the universe does not let a woman choose how she shall dress? What other country in the universe forbids a woman from talking to a man on the street yet practically insists that she buy her intimate apparel and feminine products from a male and allows male cabdrivers to "chauffer" her around unescorted? (And we do consider that euphemizing.)

So, clearly these are not Islamic practices but Saudi practices, mostly unsupported by the Koran.

And for the self-righteous Shoaib who gleefully cites the Hebrew bible about Adam and Eve...are you saying the a.mighty did not also create Adam and Steve as well as Eve? If Adam and Steve is all right with the almighty to creat, perhaps that should be good enough for you too. Or perhaps you're smarter than the almighty and know the almighty's ways and means better than the almighty.
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0 Ali Shah 2011-09-28 05:43 #
Jacob.. Adam and Steve? LOOOOL!.. that is PATHETIC man. Homosexuality is sick, abnormal and a perversion that is cured through strict punishments. Simple.
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+1 jacob 2011-09-28 09:13 #
Tell us you're kidding Ali! Whether homosexuality is sick depends entirely on the country you live in.

I'm not here to condemn or uphold homosexuality. What is a fact though, is that no one ever "cured" homosexuality, whether through punishment, behavior modification techniques, "tough love" or any other means.

That's an evidence-based, scientifc fact. Many groups, notably the notriously unsuccessful Exodus organization, have tried. And not only have they failed miserably to try to "convert" gays to a straight life, many of the leaders themselves reverted to their original (gay) lifestyle.

A strict disciplinarian parent may fool himself into thinking he's "cured" his son or daughter, but ultimately he's only being duped, even as the victim may dupe himself temporarily.
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0 Faraz Omar 2011-09-28 09:56 #
Jacob: I thought you were interested in genuine, thought-provoking discussions. I'm quite saddened by your latest responses which are no more than sweeping generalizations and getting into a variety of new discussions and arguments for which I have no time.

The crime level is LOW in Saudi Arabia. This doesn't mean there is no crime at all. If you know of crime cases, then we too have heard of several. And your sentence "even if the single females were in places they should not have been" says it all. Our safety is a responsibility on each of us. You don't go into the den of burglars with a transparent bag of cash and expect to come out safe with all your money. Take such expectations, indeed, to some of the countries whose philosophies you are parroting here, and see if that philosophy can reduce the crime rate there.

Homosexuality is illegal not only in KSA, but every one of the 57 Muslim countries in the world, basically 1/3rd of the world (and I'm sure a large number of non-Muslim countries as well). It is only NOW that some of the pervert states have started "legalizing" it, as if they are the ones to decide on the course on humanity.

Even if it is only in the KSA, this, Jacob, is Saudi Life.

I do not know what to say about your baseless accusations that a woman cannot talk to a man on street here – Is this genuine ignorance or deliberate fallacy?

As for the way a woman (or a man) is supposed to dress, every country has some say in it. I wonder how many countries permit woman to dress as she wants. Is a woman allowed to go naked on streets in other countries? NO! (With the degradation of societies even that may be coming in soon.) But the point is, every country has some limit in terms of what can be displayed and what cannot be. So who is to decide?

For us, we have divine guidance – for everything from waking up to marital intimacy – because we have believed in His Message. As for people who wanna come up with their own versions of right and wrong, we say: It is your own loss in this world and in the hereafter.
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+1 um fatima 2011-09-28 13:23 #
as salaamu alaikum sister,

if you are not reading the labels of food products in the stores then you are likely eating food that is haram. oftentimes, import restrictions here in saudi are to stifle competition, not, as we assume, to uphold sharia.

also, low gas prices? what does that matter to me when i have to pay 60 riyals just to get back and forth from shopping? that is a LOT of money for some cheap gas. which means i only go out shopping on my own about twice a year. i would rather drive myself. not to mention the safety issues. why should i be forced to ride with some unrelated man who is following two feet behind a truck, speeding, and swerving in and out of lanes? again, i would rather drive myself.

the driving issue amongst women in saudi is largely a class issue. have you ever seen a woman who works at a shopping center which closes between 12 and 4? what does she do during her break? double her transportation expenses by going home or running some errands? no. sit in the masala. for four hours. lengthening her work day by four hours.

as sisters, we should have compassion for each other and our different circumstances. if Allah has blessed you with being able to pay and house a driver, alhamdulillah. but please don't try to make things hard for those of us who cannot afford it. i have actually not been able to get my children to the hospital because i can't drive. educational opportunities all have to be assessed with the question, 'how will we get there and back?' the result: missed educational opportunities.

sorry to go on about this. obviously i prefer, all things considered, to live in saudi instead of america. but the driving issue is the single biggest challenge to living here.
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0 AFIFA JABEEN 2011-09-28 16:02 #
Quoting um fatima:
as sisters, we should have compassion for each other and our different circumstances. if Allah has blessed you with being able to pay and house a driver, alhamdulillah. but please don't try to make things hard for those of us who cannot afford it. i have actually not been able to get my children to the hospital because i can't drive. educational opportunities all have to be assessed with the question, 'how will we get there and back?' the result: missed educational opportunities.

sorry to go on about this. obviously i prefer, all things considered, to live in saudi instead of america. but the driving issue is the single biggest challenge to living here.


Wa alaikum assalam sister

If you would fancy reading, i could come up with a list of 'issues' we women face here. But how would that help? No one said everything is perfect in Saudi. It's only a matter of counting one's blessings, and not airing complaints.
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-1 Mohammed Umar S 2011-09-28 17:11 #
@Jacob, i would just quote a sentence to help you get your thinking right. A woman, whom the media always claims is an "oppressed" gender in KSA has come out and spoken that she is gifted to be in such a noble land.

Thanks to the western mindset, you are trying hard to make us believe that she has problems. Its like saying to an infant who feels secured in the lap of his mother that your mother is your enemy.

Instead what you should be attempting to do is to refer other women who have issues to this sister and help them get their problems solved, in case if she can be of any help. The attitude i see here is not to solve issues (if any), but to create issues out of non-existing ones.

I can recall the story where a wolf tries to teach the sheep that their shepherd is their enemy. All that this wolf wants is to see the back of this shepherd to lay its hand on the innocent sheep.
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+2 jacob 2011-09-28 21:35 #
Mohammad Umar: Thinking that you can "get someone's thinking right" implies that you are unquestionably correct, and that is the exact point in dispute. The question is--very roughly--who is indeed right? So, in a logician's term, you are assuming the premise. In any event, quoting a woman who says she is happy to accept her fate does not constitute any kind of evidence. Certainly there are many many Saudi women who do not feel oppressed.

But there are many Saudi nationals, not to mention a quarter of the population that are foreigners, who may feel oppressed because they are denied activities that the rest of the world, including the entire rest of the Muslim world, believes are the rights of women. These include the right to drive cars and the right to move about freely in their own country and across borders.

The fact that one or many women think it's great not to drive or to be able to marry without a guardian's permission or to have their passport locked up in their brother's house, just to give three examples, seems more like an instance of Stockholm Syndrome than any kind of argument in favor of what most "right thinking" people believe.
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0 jacob 2011-09-28 21:42 #
Friend Faraz: Do you believe it is proper for a man to accost a woman on the street and speak to her? Is it tolerated for a Saudi man to gaze directly at a woman in public? Shall a Saudi woman look at an unrelated man's face, public or in private?

Perhaps these are the baseless accusations. I am ready to stand corrected.
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+3 ummar 2011-09-28 22:22 #
I just whatever it is that the author is drinking ..please please..
After 10 yrs in the sandpit, i'm begging, literally begging on bended knee for my very pious husband to please please redeem me from this madhouse and maybe take me to a more islamic place..
like i said - Aithor of this essay - please please share your happy pill.
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0 Mohammed Umar S 2011-09-28 23:29 #
Dear Jacob
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-1 Mohammed Umar S 2011-09-28 23:30 #
Quote:Thinking that you can "get someone's thinking right" implies that you are unquestionably correct, and that is the exact point in dispute. The question is--very roughly--who is indeed right? So, in a logician's term, you are assuming the premise. In any event, quoting a woman who says she is happy to accept her fate does not constitute any kind of evidence. Certainly there are many many Saudi women who do not feel oppressed.End of Quote

Jacob: You actually got me partially right. I do take the premise of being correct but the other half of it has not touched your mind. We Muslims don't claim our personal judgment to be right, rather we believe and rightfully claim the laws of Allaah, our Creator, to be free from imperfection and that is what our call is all about.

Secondly, just because some people dislike certain rules doesn't justify the voice to call-off the rules. Rather they should be educated on the morals and benefits of the same just like a doctor would advice you to be on pills (that you don't like just for the bitter taste) by educating you on the need and the benefits of the pill.

Moreover, you have contradicted your own statements in paragraphs 2 & 3. While you present the "feeling" of oppression by nationals and expats to be an evidence of the true picture, in the succeeding paragraph you refuse to accept the "thinking" of some/many women who feel greatly protected with such laws. So i don't see any intellectual claim within your self contradicting reply.
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+2 Bint Umaha 2011-09-29 00:45 #
LOL. This article is a joke. I love KSA to death, but even I'm willing to admit that it is a sh** hole when it comes to women's rights (and general human rights, really). Let's be honest here.

I especially laugh when people bring up the whole all women "being driven around by chauffeurs" thing.

Yeah, because every woman in KSA can afford to pay a driver every month? Not even close to being accurate. Saying things like that completely ignores people of lower economic backgrounds who can not afford drivers, which in return is extremely limiting to them.

And who are these people who would rather have some stranger driving around their family members (mainly wives and daughter)s? How can you trust them? Wouldn't you rather that they were able to transport themselves? I don't get it. And it really bothers me that people try to attach these ridiculous laws to Islam. Don't use Islam to justify your backwardness.

To the writer of this article - what do you have to say about the woman who has just been sentenced to lashing for driving a car?

Yep, KSA is a definitely a UTOPIA for us women!
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0 Umm Zakiyyah 2011-09-29 05:33 #
Afifa,

Thanks for writing this article. It is truly a blessing to read a positive perspective on the land that is home to the cities most beloved to Allah.

And don't be deterred by the negativity. For surely, the vast majority of people who are striving to be grateful in life do not spend time attacking something so beautiful as this, even if they find points of disagreement.

And remember, there are two types of people in this world: Those whom Allah has endowed with knowledge and wisdom, and those whom He has not. So excuse the latter group, and keep doing what you're doing--striving to please Allah. For surely, our time is short on this earth and, as I wrote in reflection in my journal one day: It takes some longer than others to realize that no matter where you live in this dunya, you still have to live in this dunya.

This world is not Jannah, though some people imagine it's supposed to be.

In truth, the most we can hope for during our brief sojourn in this world are two things: a heart filled with emaan and a land filled with Islam.

Thank Allah you have both. Most of the world have neither.

your sister in Islam,
Umm Zakiyyah
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0 Mohammed Umar S 2011-09-29 06:51 #
EXCELLENT SAYING:
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0 jacoba 2011-09-29 11:29 #
Mohammad Umar: You are partially correct about "assuming the premise" but you entirely missed the point: In any discussion or debate about an issue, of course both parties (or all parties if there are more than two) believe they are right. But the point of the discussion is that you cannot just "assume the premise" as though that proves the point. That is, you cannot simply say "I'm right because my beliefs tell me that I'm right." Otherwise, no discussion is possible.

Thus, if I say...

All men have beards
Mohammad is a man
Therefore, Mohammad has a beard


Another form of this could be..

Peter is a goat
All goats have beards
Therefore, Peter has a beard


In both cases, there is a problem with the argument and unless both parties to the discussion are willing to discuss without assuming that everyone agrees with their premises, there can be no reasonable discussion.

And now perhaps you can point out where Allah has decreed--or as you say "rightfully claim the laws of Allaah, our Creator, to be free from imperfection" that women should not drive cars. And where has Allah decreed that all women in the Kingdom should be dressed from head to foot, in black, including covering the face?

Are these the edicts of the almighty? I'm wondering where it says that a woman must buy her intimate apparel from a man? I'm wondering where it says a woman must cover herself from head to toe in order to avoid giving lewd thoughts to men (who are apparently unable to contain their lust), but a young man in his 20s can go about wearing tight jeans and t-shirts with no fear of recrimination?

Are these the judgments of the almighty or of men?
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+1 Mohammed Umar S 2011-09-29 14:43 #
@Jacob: I congratulate your open-mindedness and will be sharing with you the answers to your bunch of questions. Again, i will echo the comments of fellow readers which says Saudi like any other nation is NOT A PERFECT COUNTRY, it has its own shortcomings, but despite all those it is far far better than most if not all the nations.

@Other readers, pls feel free to jump in to share the evidences for whatever you feel comfortable.

As a setback for you, the Saudi king has overturned the verdict against woman driver. So now you dont have to repeat the same "issue" hundreds of time.
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0 Mohammad Shah 2011-09-29 20:19 #
Dear Afifa,

Masha'allah, a great article from the perception of the counter logic and thought you have brought forward. As always, its a pleasure to see your pen pouring some ink on the pages of history again, else I started to doubt, if you had turned into history.

Okie, coming back to the article, points 1, 4, 5, 8, 9 and 10. I would more or less agree to it. And point 6 is simply amazing (see how reason works when we see things optimistically) , the only country where officially and as mandatory, women are driven by chauffeurs. Okie, now point 2, well women in many cities and many countries, walk in potentially nude state, in half of their consciousness at 3am in the morning, with utmost safety. So, a woman, coming from mosque at 3am, is not a safety and freedom relevant point. Also, what you mentioned in point 3, and much more is an obligation of every good organization. So, that is present every where (And I am not talking of exceptions, or firms that take things for granted, as it is also a worldwide feature). Hence this point is also, not of relevance. And please, "Halal" food is available everywhere, even n places where pork is sold, there are separate shelf and racks for Halal chicken. (Although, I am sure you wont shop).

Thanks once again for the write up. After all, Journalist is about sharing opinion, knowledge and awareness, to all positive and negative aspects of happenings of the world.

Would love to more from you.
May Allah be with you.
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+1 jacoba 2011-09-29 22:20 #
Mohammad Umar: I'm not entirely sure whether or not you are being sarcastic in your remark about my open-mindedness but I choose to read it straightforward ly as a genuine expression of polite discussion.

I would like to clearly say that I would never claim that any country is perfect (which is up to the almighty after all) or that KSA is fundamentally defective. What I am saying has been all along a reasoned response to a particular article which I (and many others) believe is a whitewashed version of the role and status of women in Saudi Arabia. There is no accusation, just a countering of the statements made.

A verdict in favor of women driving -- if there was one -- is certainly not a setback for me. I have no camel in the matter of simply being right. I'm not aware that the cause of women driving has been advanced by overturning a verdict...but I sometimes miss the daily news. Perhaps the woman who was to receive lashes has been relieved of that ignominy. If that's what you're referring to, I wholeheartedly applaud the king (and you for bringing it to my attention).

However, injustices of any kind do not simply go away when people stop mentioning them. Look at the civil rights movement or the women's voting movement in the USA. Those progressions only came about because strong-minded and determined people kept at them and would not rest or falter in their insistence on doing the right thing.

I'm sorry for sounding like a broken record, but how about doing the right thing and letting women in Saudi Arabia -- those women who want to anyway -- take their rightful place and stop draining the country of half of its most valuable human resource. Those who wish to be chauffeured...let them be driven. Those who don't wish to work in the marketplace...let them be homemakers. Those who don't wish to travel freely or are afraid to...let them remain under the protection of their younger brothers.
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+2 um fatima 2011-09-30 12:18 #
as salaamu alaikum sister afifa,

what i want to point out is that one person's blessing can be another person's trial. and being grateful for one's own blessings does not preclude trying to spread those blessings around. we should want for our sisters what we want for ourselves. i'm happy that you should be comfortably chauffeured around; and you should not, in thought, word, or deed, try to prevent me, who has no chauffeur, from getting to my arabic and Quran teacher or taking a child with a head wound to the hospital.

how would it help? it doesn't help if you send the message that 'women are happy with the situation so we don't need to change it'.
you can make dua for us and always and staunchly say that 'women have the right to drive; they shouldn't be prevented from exercising that right.'

and, at least for me, it's not the biggest issue about living in saudi; it's the only issue.
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0 AFIFA JABEEN 2011-10-01 00:41 #
Quoting um fatima:
how would it help? it doesn't help if you send the message that 'women are happy with the situation so we don't need to change it'.
you can make dua for us and always and staunchly say that 'women have the right to drive; they shouldn't be prevented from exercising that right.'

and, at least for me, it's not the biggest issue about living in saudi; it's the only issue.


There you go sister! While you admit driving is the 'only issue' you face in KSA, you also imply that apart from that, you are not faced with any other issues.
"Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny?" (Surah Ar-Rahman)
I am sure you must have thanked the Almighty for blessing you with a life where you just have this one 'issue' which InshaAllah will be a non-issue in the future. Like they say, it's only a matter of when.
Also, i suggest you read the driving point once more to understand that no where have i stated that driving is not a problem or not required. Saudi women's driving for the international media is no more than just another story. Like every story, this one too has two sides, and what you read here is just the other side, which is hardly written about. Note that i have quoted women and those are their thoughts. You as a reader have every right to object to them.
Please read an old article of mine where you will see that i am not opposed to women's driving:
http://saudilife.net/life-and-society/92-life-and-society/12868-women-sans-men-needed-for-female-shoppers
Jacob, after having read your comments, i see it's futile to have a discussion with you. I see you have a problem with a woman coming out and declaring that she and others like her are living a happy life in the Kingdom MashaAllah. Disappointed, aren't you? So be it. Oh and what was that thing about 'freedom of speech' and blah blah that the media in the West keeps on parroting about? When i am happy and i know, i will say it. Freedom of speech, after all!
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-1 um fatima 2011-10-01 08:21 #
as salaamu alaikum sister afifa,


Quoting AFIFA JABEEN:

Also, i suggest you read the driving point once more to understand that no where have i stated that driving is not a problem or not required. Saudi women's driving for the international media is no more than just another story. Like every story, this one too has two sides, and what you read here is just the other side, which is hardly written about. Note that i have quoted women and those are their thoughts. You as a reader have every right to object to them.
Please read an old article of mine where you will see that i am not opposed to women's driving:
http://saudilife.net/life-and-society/92-life-and-society/12868-women-sans-men-needed-for-female-shoppers



there were contemporary reports, during the time of slavery in the southern US, which said that slaves were happy as they were. i'm sure the abolitionist cause was not helped by those reports.

and slave owners had their own side of the story too. if something is not RIGHT and JUST it does not need to be given equal airtime.

this is copied from your article
'why women in Saudi Arabia feel blessed to be living where they are.'

you could have said some women, or, better yet, I. when you purport to speak for me and i disagree, i'll let you know.

and if you need to point me to an old article to prove that you support women driving, that means that this article gives people the wrong impression of your position.

jazakallahkhair for reminding me to grateful to Allah. i know, astaghfirullah, i fall short there.
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0 Mudassar 2011-10-01 05:55 #
Well..quite a very interesting discussion popping up. As an individual, what I see is a dilemma of perception. While Afie is looking it from the Positive point, looking for an outlook to see the brighter side of the picture, Jacoba and Umm Fatima are looking it from the darker side of the argument, looking for a revolution. Both are true on their parts, but any fool would admit that it is always the brighter side of the argument which shall be favored and proclaimed. As pessimism yields no results but discussions.

@Jacoba: As like you and everyone else, Afie (Afifa Jabeen), as a Journalist has every right to express her views, and her views have no individual objectives of convincing or appeasing masses. On the contrary, journalists are always known to dig the filthiest of the facts, undesired by many, but no matter what, they are facts. Her views are also, not just her own, but based on the solid research that includes, taking individual views from various participants and personal interviews. So why are you are trying to crucify the lady? Atleast she writes authentic and genuine write ups of her own. And who has stopped you? Blogs are free to register, Kindly register one, write your above expressed thoughts and send a link to me. I shall be the first one to send you my sincere congratulations , the moment your blogs hits a 1000 views per article. And trust me, her articles do achieve this, and on a consistent basis.

And now I shall come to the creamiest part of the argument. but before that, KINDLY NOTE: THE BELOW MENTIONED FACTS ARE NOT AT ALL A MEANS TO SAY THAT SAUDI WOMEN SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DRIVE. They are just some worth mentioning facts, and with proper references mentioned, for any kind soul who would like to challenge them.

#1
A new study shows that some of these may be more than urban myths or misogynistic remarks. The study, led by Virginia W. Tsai MD, Department of Emergency Medicine, University of California, Irvine Medical Center, showed that over a 10 year period (1995-2004) females began to "catch up" with males in risky behaviors.

This means that, even if the use of the seatbelt has become more frequent for both genders, the increase for women who use it was smaller and the number of accidents caused by women has grown. Other factors have been involved too, like the use of the cellphone and distractions from kids in the back seat.

Reference:
Dorneanu, L., 2007. Car Crashes Caused by Women Increase Alarmingly, 16th May, 2007

CONTINUED....
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0 Mudassar Nazar 2011-10-01 05:56 #
#2
Recounting one of the incidents that shocked him, Major Al Zafeen said, “I saw a car moving recklessly on Al Ittihad and chased it when approached I was shocked to see a woman was driving it. She was driving so dangerously it looked as if she would hit any car at any moment. She was not adhering to any law and when stopped she justified it saying she was getting late for a party.”

Reference:
Major General Mohammad Saif Al Zafeen, Director, General Department of Traffic, Dubai Police, UAE, dated 18th July, 2011

#3
Using the General Estimate System data from a nationally representative sample of police-reported crashes, the researchers expected to find that male-to-male crashes would account for 36.2% of accidents, female-to-female would make up 15.8% and male-to-female would make up 48% of crashes.

Instead, they found female-to-female accidents made up 20.5% of all crashes, much higher than expected. Male-to-male crashes were lower than expected, at 31.9%, and male-to-female crashes were 47.6%.

Why the discrepancy? The study doesn't offer any hard reasons. Women and men may have different experiences with different driving scenarios, have different abilities to handle those scenarios, and may feel like there are different expectations on their behavior.

Reference:
Urken, Ross K., 2011. Let the arguments Fly: Study shows Women more likely to cause Traffic Accidents, 6th July, 2011. AOL Autos.

#4
Nearly half a million road accidents a year are caused by women drivers applying make-up behind the wheel, a new survey discloses.
Around on fifth of female motorists confess they have touched up their mascara on the move – equivalent to 2.7 million of Britain's 15 million women drivers.

Reference:
Nguyen, A., 2010. Half a million road crashes 'caused by women drivers applying make-up' 30th October, 2010.

And this entire research is a special dedication to Rev. Jacoba for her "Safely Driven" counter argument.

Once again, just because time is to be passed and words are free to be typed, does not means that the argument becomes sensible. I am sure Neither Umm Fatima, not Rev. Jacoba would be pointing bad children behaving ill mannered to their kids. Why? Because they want their children to be good. Similarly dont crucify a genuine and earnest opinion of a writer for the good that she points out. And lastly, if living in Saudi is so intolerable, then for God's sake, go to other countries and get a life, who sulk and waste away.

Thanks.
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0 Mudassar Nazar 2011-10-01 06:08 #
A STATISTICAL REFERENCE of the viewership and applause the write of this article enjoys. (For those who have challenged the qualities of the Journalist)


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From Dunya to Deen: Movie of gangster-turned-da'ee
Eddie of The Deen Show 3650
'I always wanted to be entrepreneur' 1154
It's movie time in Jeddah! 3301
Girls' talk: Do you have a boyfriend? 4104
What our Facebook fans say about Saudi life 2071
All about Hajj: An expo at Red Sea Mall 2310
His way and the highway: A bizarre taxi ride 2734
Covered, yet 'checked out' by perverse men 6773
What I realized from a facebook debate on Islam 1832
What Earth Hour taught me 1408
Protecting working women in Saudi Arabia 3632
Interview with well-known American novelist in Riyadh 3674
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0 um fatima 2011-10-01 08:02 #
as salaamu alaikum mudassar,

one question only.

do you honestly think that with women driving saudi arabia would see an increase in accidents and fatalities?

it's just not possible. not according to the general directorate of traffic.

"Road accidents in Saudi Arabia have been recorded as the highest in the world, according to the Kingdom's General Directorate of Traffic report."

http://www.roadtraffic-technology.com/news/news79557.html

i don't know how long you searched for and cherry picked those studies you referenced, but i did a simple search for 'saudi arabia traffic accidents world rank' and this was the first result.

letting women drive is not the only solution for road safety but it is the easiest and least expensive to implement. it will get the young boys off the road and let their mothers on. also, i've seen that men drive more aggressively when they know the other drivers are male. they are more willing to yield, they are less competitive, with female drivers.
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0 Mudassar Nazar 2011-10-01 14:39 #
Dear Umm Fatima,

Walaikum As Salaam.

You have mistaken my good sense. I never meant or say that women driving in Saudi Arabia will increase road accidents. Statistics never lie, and any simple research will tell you that the number of accidents caused by men are 1.54 times that women.

And Saudi women have raised the question today. I had this discussion long back in 2008 with the Ministry during the official meet. At that point of time, I was duly notified that Saudi Government is in implementation of this act. The issue was inadequate number of female police officers, as a female driver will not be questioned by a male counterpart, hence before commissioning female driving they wanted to put the proper arrangements.

Also, in cases of emergency women can drive. They will not be legally punished. And there are many Places, Aramco in Dammam, inside where world is all western, and women drive. And please my article was not cherry picked. It was just to present a part of debate that women driving is also not a 100% safe act. And yes, mothers driving will take off young sons from the car, but will introduce young daughters to drive as well. Every change has pros and cons, and as I mentioned before, we always favor the brighter side, to irrespective of everything, we would favor women to be given the right to drive.

Ma'a Salaamah.
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0 um fatima 2011-10-02 11:04 #
as salaamu alaikum mudassar,

ok, sorry i misunderstood what you were saying. thank you for taking the time to clarify.

ma'a salaamah
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